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Davidm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 10:38 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
In Celebration of the business arrangement between the BBQ Guru company and Kamado: Buy your Guru from Kamado Corp and receive a 5% discount off of the MSRP.

Kamado will also install your manifold or inducer during manufacturing "free" if you order your Guru when you order your Kamado.

The cost of installing the Guru inducer (manifold) when not ordering a Guru from Kamado will be $20.

The nominal cost of the inducer (manifold) installation kit for existing Kamado owners has yet to be determined.

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Rockdawg
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:09 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
So.. I don't want to drill a hole in the side of my K. WIll Draft doors in the original Guru style be available?
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Davidm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:33 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Clay, The Guru manifold kit for current Kamado owners will cost what ever our cost is - no markup. Richard feels as I do that the original Kamado Draft door should be kept and used as designed.

The "Guru Sale" is meant to let everyone know that Kamado Corp now sales all BBQ Guru products as accessories for their Kamados.

Installing the Guru manifold for "Free" is a service to those clients ordering new Kamados and Guru's together. If you are an old Kamado owner and currently own a Guru and want a new Kamado with a Guru manifold we will do that for free as a service to our old clients.

At this time we want Kamado customers to buy their Guru products from Kamado. That's one of the reasons that we are providing the Guru port. Another reason is that the Kamado cooker with a BBQ Guru makes the best cooker in the world better.
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Zero
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 1:13 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
This all sounds awesome!! What does the manifold look like? How difficult will it be for the average person to install on the K's we already own?

Z
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Davidm
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Pictures of the Kamado manifold:


This inducer has an ID or 1 1/4" and an OD of 1 3/8". It is tapered on the inside to allow easy entry.

The working end of the Fan has a heat sink, O-ring, and a draft slider:

Draft Fully Open

Draft 1/3 Open

Draft Closed

Fancy Kill Plug

This plug can be used in conjunction with your Kamado Draft door to give you very fine regulation of your draft air. The farther out the more air - pushed all the way in - shut down. It is easy to see how far open the draft plug is. Sometimes it is hard for new owners to see how far their draft door is open.
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Burntofferings
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 5:03 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Richard, can you put the pricing for the Guru's on your accessories page? I'm glad we can order direct from Kamado. Might pick up some other accessories at the same time.

When do you expect to have the Gurus and manifolds in stock?
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Kbuck
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 6:11 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I've seen photo's of Gurus mostly from a straight on angle. I would like to see a side view of an installed Competitor. I'm trying to grasp what the whole assembly installed looks like; Competitor with 10CFM Blower. I was planning on 90 degrees off the side but if it sticks way out, a back corner placement might be better. Somewhere around 135, however this location might interfere with the hinge spring tubes.

All I really need is an overall distance from port to Guru Control panel, but snapshots would be nice.

Buck
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Insane_irish
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 6:38 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Davidm,
Will the retrofit kit be free when buying a guru to go along with it? I recieved my K last week, haven't bought a guru yet, but was considering it and having it separate from the draft door would be nice (although I am not sure I am confident enough to drill it myself, so I would probably get the draft door guru manifold as well until I could work up the courage).

I am interested in a Competitor with 10 CFM Pit Viper Blower and 6 ft. extension cord, Guru Draft door manifold for #7, and the built-in manifold retrofit kit.

Please contact me with pricing & availability.
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Zero
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 6:56 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
David thanks for the pics, It really looks well designed. Do you or Richard know how simple the installation will be? Also if we buy a Guru from Kamado will the manifold/installation kit come with it or will there be an additional cost on top of the guru. Just trying calculate costs for the purchase.

Zero
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Richardj
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 7:03 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Kbuck, your position on your diagram will work nice. The prop swings FORWARD toward the handle. Under my diagram (which is missing right now, 0 degrees or 000 would be at the hinge position, and the manifold would be at 45 degrees. Or at the same position you have shown. Have we got it together, or what?

Insane_irish, Davidm will answer your request....(God, this is wonderful!)
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Kbuck
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 7:38 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Yup, we got it, 45 degrees in the back corner. I'll call the girls (or David and Kim....whoever picks up) with the port location and Guru order. Ironically I thought I had my order nailed down earlier this week when I dropped the Gas Option and the Mushi to make room for a #1 Textured Black w/ SS (a Jiarby special). I wanted to hold off on the Guru to really master a normally aspired K but with the $20 hook for the port and 5 points off the guru, you've managed to once again, "get every penny you can from me". You sure know how to keep the wait interesting!!!

Cheers

Buck

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Davidm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:32 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Stand by: We now know 90 and 270 degrees won't work.

Buy a Guru for your Kamado and we are currently providing the manifold free of charge. The Guru Draft Door that fits our Kamados has a MSRP of $30 - you can buy any Guru product from us. We are currently discounting your Guru purchase 5%.

The Retro-kit has not been priced yet because we have not figured out what all is going into the Kit - the Retro-Kit is not ready to ship yet. We may ship loner tools with the kit if we think that it will make it easier for you all to make a 1 3/8" hole in your Kamado.

Please, Send me emails with your questions.
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Alanz
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I think we should just standardize on Richard's 000 degrees as the hinge (making the draft door 180 degrees)... and avoid confusion.

The sketch that was uploaded in the other thread should be updated to reflect this orientation. (changing what was marked 135 degrees in the original sketch to 45 degrees... obviously the 90 degrees stays the same)
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Waldo
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 9:13 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I've got a question about this. Does the standard draft door provide a satisfactory seal when the build-in Guru is running? There is now internal pressure, and my experience with the Guru supplied draft door replacement is that it has to be sealed very tightly or the temp will not hold well. This effect is similar to the temp problems that develop when the lid gasket doesn't seal. The top vent must be the only place that air can escape.
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Johnwilliams
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How about putting the guru under the ceramic cart/base? Drill the fan hole straight down through the bottom of the base and cart (close to the back wall) and then place a pipe in the the hole that extends vertically up so that the top is above the level of any accumulated ash. Put a chimney cap on top of the pipe end to prevent ash from falling down the pipe (similar in concept the the shield on top of the gas burner). Now the fan can go on the bottom side of the cart so that it is out of the weather. The electronics and power supply could be placed under the cart as well but under the front edge so that the controls are accessible from the front of the K. Besides being out of the weather, this would have the added advantage of improved aesthetics. A standard ceramic cart could be retrofitted with the guru in this way or, you could offer a specialized "guru powered cart" as an ordering option that had more integrated features (e.g. the cart could be redesigned to permit the guru components to be placed inside with controls on the top surface).
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Johnwilliams
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Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:20 pm:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Waldo,
Good point. I would bet that the standard draft door would need to be modified to permit it to be locked in place with a good seal. Any natural draft counters the ability of the guru to control temperature since the guru only has one direction of control (adding energy).
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Davidm
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:20 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
If your Kamado draft door seals then the Guru will not have any problem doing it's job - adding fresh air to the ash box to be used by the fire in the fire box. Smoke will blow our every opening or crevice when the fan "Puffs" - that's not a problem.

The Guru draft door locks because it is designed that way. A running/vibrating fan hangs on the draft door. The fan does not add enough pressure to push your Kamado draft door out.

When using my Guru for low & slow I adjust the damper (top spinner) almost fully closed - so that when the fan "Puffs" only a little smoke if forced through the lid gasket and the damper. I try to balance my Kamado so that all the smoke is not coming out only one place. If you have leaky gaskets you will know it - but your Kamado does not have to be air tight just air restrictive. If you close down all the air ports and the fire goes out pretty quickly then your Kamado is working as it should. You can tell this because your thermometer will keep dropping and your Kamado will cool down.

Each Kamado is hand made and each works a little differently.
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Clausenk
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:17 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Silly question. Why couldn't the Guru manifold be built into the standard K draft door? The handle could then be backed with a guru kill plug, fancy kill plug, or other solid insert (I like the way the o-ring seals tight) for those times when the Guru is not in use. That way we would not have to drill extra holes in our beautiful Ks, or give up the ease of adjustment of the standard draft door. Or is the extra hole intended primarily to be of use to gas owners?

Richard, I know you won't drill a hole in my # 5 at 90 degrees now that you know it won't work. I would like to see these threads develop for a day or two before I finally make up my mind on placement.

Thanks,

Clausen

Clausen
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Davidm
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:41 am:    Edit Post Print Post    Delete Post View Post/Check IP   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Clausen - Most cookers just use the draft as only a draft. We also use it for our gas option. Some Kamado users don't want to remove the gas option and replace it with a Guru or Kamado draft door and some only have the gas option and no draft door.

I believe that the Guru along with the Gas option opens up some new adventures in K'ing.

The Guru draft door locks in place because it has a vibrating fan and sometimes a Guru controller (that gets adjusted) hanging on it. The Kamado draft door has no locking device and it is not needed for our application. I have not tried to use a Kamado draft door with a Guru attached but some Kamado owners have - maybe they can post their thoughts.

We have a Guru inducer that is made to adapt any metal cooker for Guru use and that could be adapted to the Kamado draft door. The MSRP on this option is $15.
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Katman
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Clausen,
I haven't got my new Kamado (yet!), but I use the guru on all three of my eggs. Some day I'm going to try it on my webber too, but I can't remember the last time I used the metal kettle. From what I read here the K draft door is very easy to remove. If you are concerned about having the hole in the wall of the K, why not just get the Guru adapter? Takes about 10 seconds to install it on a egg when I want to use the Guru; about 2 seconds to remove it. I'll probably get the hole drilled cause I am planning on having the gas option.
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Clausenk
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Steve,

I have the Guru door for my #7. Just thinking about options for my soon to be delivered #5. As I've posted before, I'm lazy. If I can avoid swapping out the two types of doors I will. You may find that fitting the Guru door into the two K draft door guides and readjusting the lock screws as they slip is harder than swapping a Guru in and out of an egg. I also find it irksome how the Guru door foam moves around over time.

I have used my Guru on my weber with a rotisserie (David posted pics for me), but the weber was so leaky the Guru was of no benefit.

Clausen
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Harry
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I did the original issue gas retrofit on my K7 and subsequently removed that unit; resealed and retiled the evidence.

I have no desire to drill holes in my current fleet.

Yes, Clausen that Guru door can be a pain in the keester to install [The Weather has to be crappy and you have to be in a rush for that to happen but . . ], but I still prefer that to drilling holes.

My suggestion, if you find this cumbersome: order 2 K doors and have one adapted to take the Guru. Dick around with a silicone seal for the modified door and you're good to go.
I kind of like the earlier suggestions to have the wiring disappear too.

Harry
FWIW - my $.02 [$CAD]
[Posting from Sunny Alberta]

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Katman
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Clausen,
I hear you regarding the leaks on the metal kettle. I'm pretty lazy too, so if putting the Guru door in the K is a bit more of an effort than on an egg I'm looking for the easiest solution.

steve
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Otter
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I currently have a #9 verde mosaic on order and would like to add the guru manifold to it as well as adding a Wireless ProCom4/10CFM guru to my order. I'll also call when the west coast wakes up. Since my ship date is approaching I thought I'd do both the forum and the phone call.
Thanks,
Christopher Varva
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Nflnut
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quote:

I've seen photo's of Gurus mostly from a straight on angle. I would like to see a side view of an installed Competitor. I'm trying to grasp what the whole assembly installed looks like; Competitor with 10CFM Blower. I was planning on 90 degrees off the side but if it sticks way out, a back corner placement might be better.



I'd like to know this too. I am going to place an order today and am curious as to how far out the manifold and Guru draft will stick out. I probably won't be buying the Guru for a little while just because my allotted cooker expenditures for the next few months will be exceeded by purchasing the K itself (if the shipping didn't cost so much, I would be better in a position to spend it on the Guru).

Therefore, since I won't be using a Guru for a while, and may not use it all of the time even when I do buy it, how far does just the manifold itself stick out from the K when the Guru is not attached, and how far out does the manifold WITH the Guru stick out when IN use? This is also for trying to choose where to place the port for aesthetic reasons. In my case, I am thinking at 315-degrees but can't decide without knowing the size of this thing.

(Message edited by NFLnut on April 11, 2005)
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Davidm
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I don't have a ready picture to post of a side view of a 4 or 10 cfm fan sticking out of a Kamado. The Guru Competitor is two pieces - the fan and the controller - and they can be separated using a 6' fan extension cord which Kamado sells. I hang the Competitor's controller on the front of my Kamados or I lay it on a side table. The same thing about the ProCom4 - two separate devices. The PitMinder e-temp is one combined unit.

Send emails of questions and inquires to me or Kim at davidm or kimw @kamado.com and we will answer all of them in the order that we get them.

DavidM
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Kbuck
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I'm going with 45, back right, similar to your 315 back left.

Here's what the Port looks like. It's small enough that with a back corner location it won't be noticed.

I ordered my Guru from David who was very helpful in explaining some things. I didn't realize you could get a 6' fan extension cord, so the control box doesn't have to mount directly to the blower. I would still like to see some side pics but I think you will be happy with 315. An added bonus to the port is the ability to do micro draft adjustments with the stopper when not using the guru.
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Kbuck
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woops, was typing my post as David did his.
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Nflnut
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Is the sliding door INSIDE the K? According to those pictures it appears that only the hole with the metal port sticking out 1/4" or so. Or does the sliding door attach and unattach from the outside when you are/are not using the Guru?
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Davidm
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The Kamado draft door slides in and out to adjust the air supply to the Kamado's firebox. It's outside and it is closed when using the Guru. The "metal port" is the inducer manifold and when you are using it a fan will fit in the port and you are not using it a silicone plug will block the hole.
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Nflnut
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If I could ask just one more question ..

I am used to seeing pictures of the Guru like this:




What is this (the item sticking straight out, as opposed to a right angle from the manifold)?

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